tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post4220944638632813044..comments2023-09-03T05:52:27.906-06:00Comments on The Magical Witch: Complete absence of secrecyMorgan Drake Ecksteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-53450445540815217912012-05-19T09:34:09.508-06:002012-05-19T09:34:09.508-06:00I have to agree with you Morgan, it is the gray me...I have to agree with you Morgan, it is the gray method of balance between the two extremes.<br /><br />However the older I get and the more I learn on the path, the more I understand the logic of secrecy and doing the work to understand the path.<br /><br />Anyone can read a book on Magic but if you do not practice and understand the language and procedure you just get a lot of headaches and Thor laughs at you a lot.<br /><br />Well written my friend.Mark Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03478758752131334549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-48790438453422812452012-05-12T21:13:59.397-06:002012-05-12T21:13:59.397-06:00Bashmu,
I've taken an awful lot of initiation...Bashmu,<br /><br />I've taken an awful lot of initiations in my time, most of them have incorporated some element of secrecy and surprise, some of them have been very strict about keeping things a secret. I will say that for the most part these initiations had a certain short term psychological impact, but magically they seem to have been less transformative and effective than the OSOGD grade ceremonies I went through that were not only available to me, but ones I had studied extensively.<br /><br />An initiation ceremony, done right, and by a skilled initiator and officers will be a remarkable experience no matter how much you may have read about it before hand. Relying on secrecy and surprise can be useful, but I do not feel they are any sort of prerequisite for an effective initiation.Stian Kulystinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09343955927388915714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-38345839408447029412012-05-12T18:28:00.018-06:002012-05-12T18:28:00.018-06:00The "all secrets out" camp of thinking n...The "all secrets out" camp of thinking neglects the impact upon emotion of certain elements of ritual coming as a surprise. Fear, terror, awe, reverence, etc. are spontaneously generated reactions that tend to be muted when a person knows whats coming. Worse, if a person has placed the actions through conscious analysis and has pre-formulated opinions regarding the expected effect/worth/rationale of particular words or actions, then the ritual floor will be for such a person no more than the pursuit to justify their preconceived notions.<br /><br />In this case, the need for secrecy is much like the need for secrecy surrounding a birthday party. For the full experiential effect upon the target individual, they NEED not to know what is going to occur.Bashmu the Oraclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01114130822360773253noreply@blogger.com