tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post7432506574362329600..comments2023-09-03T05:52:27.906-06:00Comments on The Magical Witch: And the internet boils over (Flaming Book Review edition)Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-67123987119469336382012-04-09T22:48:52.802-06:002012-04-09T22:48:52.802-06:00Comments by Neo inspired this post:
http://gleami...Comments by Neo inspired this post:<br /><br />http://gleamingsfromthedawn.blogspot.com/2012/04/beware-of-work-for-hire-in-esoteric.htmlMorgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-55357891941275618422012-04-09T09:07:15.184-06:002012-04-09T09:07:15.184-06:00THE PART ABOVE, WHERE I WROTE THIS:
"I would...THE PART ABOVE, WHERE I WROTE THIS: <br />"I would bet that he didn't even write it. IMO it is the result of Regardie's loyal students, simply following his instructions. (admitting this Dave, would hurt, but it would probably add value to your book) G probably swooped-up on grade materials from the students, and simply compiled it for us to use". . . . . <br /><br />WAS A PRIME EXAMPLE: of me lowering myself to the same level as those that I criticize. I have no proof behind my statement, and no reason other than getting caught up in the moment. So I would like to rescind that statement and offer an apology to Mr. Griffin for this nonsense. <br /><br />As I have declared in the past, I will do so again: I'm out. I will keep my opinion to myself, and stick to GD theurgy. <br /><br />The last I would say, is that I would love the baby baby flaming BS to end. Also that there is a proud magickal heritage that will defend itself. By lime-lighting the situation constantly is paints a sour image to anyone seeking initiation. It should do the opposite. (and many of you as individuals do, you are GD icons to me)<br /><br />neoneognosticahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245556100155172903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-64876777520625645882012-03-28T11:41:36.052-06:002012-03-28T11:41:36.052-06:00Morgan, I read your review, and I am not a cricket...Morgan, I read your review, and I am not a cricket.:) I even linked to it, although I remarked that I only read your blog for the kute kat pics. I bought the book because of your review and am partway through it now. I will make a point of posting a review on Amazon when I am finished with it. I have to say this whole issue has been very enlightening to me, although regarding Mathers least of all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-85522284991206674202012-03-24T10:16:45.254-06:002012-03-24T10:16:45.254-06:00@David:
"By the end of the 20th Century this...@David:<br /><br /><i>"By the end of the 20th Century this availability of information enabled various reenactment groups to be established [including Mr. Farrell's MOAA]. Some of these groups are sound... Unfortunately, other groups border on religious or political cults, typically centered on a single leader.... Typically such groups claim a link to that section of the Golden Dawn Order known as the Alpha et Omega or AO."<br /><br />Today there is only one Golden Dawn order that calls itself Alpha et Omega or AO. Thus any reasonable person will associate Farrell's libelous remarks with the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega. It is clear that Nick Farrell did this on purpose.</i><br /><br />You might be the only order today calling itself Alpha et Omega or AO. But Nick didn't say, "Typically such groups claim a link to.." <br /><br />Didn't the EOGD also claim a link to the AO?Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-75921444415297139622012-03-24T09:55:44.477-06:002012-03-24T09:55:44.477-06:00What I don't get is what the problem with just...What I don't get is what the problem with just answering the questions? <br /><br />Question 1: Mr Farrell wrote about late 20c groups in the intro but you say you are talking about 1940s history. Which is it?<br /> Question 2: What was the purpose of that statement?Susanne Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620487964248301907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-69181219239395651392012-03-24T05:16:01.097-06:002012-03-24T05:16:01.097-06:00In his introduction Mr. Farrell writes:
"By ...In his introduction Mr. Farrell writes:<br /><br />"By the end of the 20th Century this availability of information enabled various reenactment groups to be established. Some of these groups are sound... Unfortunately, other groups border on religious or political cults, typically centered on a single leader.... Typically such groups claim a link to that section of the Golden Dawn Order known as the Alpha et Omega or AO."<br /><br />Notice that Mr. Farrell is referring to groups in present tense. Would he talk about Zink’s EOGD, as you assert Morgan, he would have talked about it in past tense.<br /><br />But what really is distrubing for personally is that Mr. Farrell is likening me and my fellow brethren and sisters to Hitlers "brown shirts". It becomes personal for me as my anscestors fought Hitler's army in the Second World War defending Polish soil. A written apology is in place.<br /><br />In Licht, Leben und Liebe,<br />S:.R:.Sincerus Renatus...https://www.blogger.com/profile/16773943810683981054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-9280280721669825032012-03-24T02:52:13.742-06:002012-03-24T02:52:13.742-06:00I am going to bed now, so comments are going have ...I am going to bed now, so comments are going have to wait to be approved for a few hours. It is nothing personal; I just need some sleep.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-66764486070094146322012-03-24T02:48:45.675-06:002012-03-24T02:48:45.675-06:00Hi Morgan,
Thanks for this. Well, in my review of...Hi Morgan,<br /><br />Thanks for this. Well, in my review of King Over the Water I too did not read Nick talking about David's specific AO. I thought he was talking generally, as there are many groups that fit his description. If the newsletter quoted by Nick is accurate, then I am wondering why David assumed it was his AO specifically?<br /><br />As for predicting the future. I think you sell yourself short. When the descriptions of King Over the Water came out, on Facebook I said the reactions were much more muted than I expected. You wisely said, "wait til they read the book". It appears now they have read the book :)<br /><br />Thanks.Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-46272443556132921802012-03-24T02:37:13.632-06:002012-03-24T02:37:13.632-06:00Nice. This was a well needed review of the overal...Nice. This was a well needed review of the overall flame descending on the golden dawn community. <br /><br />It seems, it is power hungry individuals, thinking for some reason that the GD is an aspect of their personal egos; and they alone can dole-out the metta. <br /><br />What is funny to me, is that what they are arguing over (initiation rituals from Regardie's books), is basically open-sourced at this point, has been for a long time; and should be considered the least important aspect of initiation.(At least from my perspective). <br /><br />Especially, in the light of Griffin's release of the Ritual Magic Manual !!! . . .<br /><br />In a side VS side comparison: FARREL'S super secret initiation Documents..VS..GRIFFIN'S Ritual Magic Manual....<br /><br />I'd say that Farrell's released documents would never initiate me no matter how long I stared at them; whereas the information in the Ritual Magic Manual can literally transform you. ..... <br /><br />My own successes in Theurgy would help me predict confidently, that all those future orders with lineage to the infamous AO will be shunned, whilst the rouge, even "neo" or "Drake-Morgan" (LOL sic) type GD players will lead future initiates by example, love, and mutual support. We will always remember and be embarrassed of this time. We will learn from their efforts on the mouse wheel; instead focusing on outer-order cosmic Theurgy. ... <br /><br />My opinion: Mr. Griffin and Mr. Farrell have both made unwitting and unsuccessful attempts to destroy the Golden Dawn. One by publicizing super secret documents that really step on the toes of our GD community. The other by attempting to bury his baby: The publication of Griffin's Ritual Magic Manual {$900US DOLLARS USED}. <br /><br />I would bet that he didn't even write it. IMO it is the result of Regardie's loyal students, simply following his instructions. (admitting this Dave, would hurt, but it would probably add value to your book) G probably swooped-up on grade materials from the students, and simply compiled it for us to use. <br /><br />Thanks G, I don't need your initiation now, and neither does anyone else. Anyone who wants to avoid the BS can find a blog or two that has the entire Theurgic keys published. And their completed much more to Regardie's instructions than the Ritual Magic Manual. <br /><br />For example when the information in the Ritual Magic Manual is placed in its proper order (numbering 33 coincidently), and in its flashing colors, with the proper Tarot key, cabbala, and utterance; you end up with a much more complete and FREE system to self initiate with. <br /><br />So we don't need the megalomaniacs or their fees anymore. <br /><br />I think the invisible masters have manipulated the greedy into open sourcing the whole thing. This way it is truly available to those that are worthy; not those that the megalomaniacs think are worthy.<br /><br />neognostica<br /><br />Alucinare Concordia Veritate et LVX Ophionneognosticahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245556100155172903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-43417946671986362712012-03-24T01:23:45.035-06:002012-03-24T01:23:45.035-06:00Care Frater Morgan,
There is a indeed a legal dif...Care Frater Morgan,<br /><br />There is a indeed a legal difference between "libel per se" (where you mention someone by name) and "libel per quod" where you do not mention them directly but nonetheless make a reference that will be associated by reason to a particular person or group.<br /><br />Just to be clear, I am not making a legal threat here. I am merely explaining that "libel per quod" (what Farrell just did) is just as illegal and just as unethical as mentioning a particular group or person by name.<br /><br />This is what the membership of the HOGD/AO is up in arms about today. Farrell writes specifically:<br /><br />"By the end of the 20th Century this availability of information enabled various reenactment groups to be established [including Mr. Farrell's MOAA]. Some of these groups are sound... Unfortunately, other groups border on religious or political cults, typically centered on a single leader.... Typically such groups claim a link to that section of the Golden Dawn Order known as the Alpha et Omega or AO."<br /><br />Today there is only one Golden Dawn order that calls itself Alpha et Omega or AO. Thus any reasonable person will associate Farrell's libelous remarks with the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega. It is clear that Nick Farrell did this on purpose. <br /><br />Like any good slimy tabloid journalist worth his salt, Farrell tried to cover his ass by being as duplicitous as possible about it as he could. Today we heard a whole variety of slimy excuses including the ridiculous claim that he was talking about the 1940's when he made clear reference in the above quote to the end of the 20th Century.<br /><br />The Golden Dawn community has seen far too much of this kind of filfth. No one wants a return to the terrible Golden Dawn Flame War that has ravaged the Golden Dawn community.<br /><br />However, the Alpha et Omega is not about to stand by idly while Farrell libels our order in this manner in the introduction to a self-published book. Not mentioning the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega by name is not enough. Farrell is specific enough to make sure that his libel sticks.<br /><br />Members of the Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega are free to do whatever they wish.<br /><br />I am very pleased to see how many of our members today stood up to Farrell's yellow journalistic bullying and came to the defanse our order.<br /><br />Again, everyone can do what they want, but I urge the entire Golden Dawn community to take a stand against one order defamaing another in printed works like this once and for all boycotting the purchase of any product whatsoever from Nick Farrell util the offensive paragraph is removed from the book once and for all.<br /><br />Libel and defamation of the Golden Dawn is not a game and the Golden Dawn is not Nick Farrell's private playground. <br /><br />Nick Farrell owes every member of the Alpha et Omega a public apology and a formal retraction.Imperator David Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569334890339311989noreply@blogger.com