tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post7483078301886464794..comments2023-09-03T05:52:27.906-06:00Comments on The Magical Witch: Why did Frater C mix systems in the Cipher Manuscript?Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-83999761252797662742012-01-05T21:59:09.244-07:002012-01-05T21:59:09.244-07:00By gum, I had forgotten about Murry Hope - is she ...By gum, I had forgotten about Murry Hope - is she still around? I have fond youthful memories of the Cartouche deck :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-51046411061489832122012-01-05T06:18:41.337-07:002012-01-05T06:18:41.337-07:00I think that mixing and matching systems can work ...I think that mixing and matching systems can work if done with respect and understanding of the particular systems. Even oriental and occidental systems can be mixed. Theosophy and its offshoots (Alice Bailey, etc.) are a good example of this, as is the Golden Dawn use of Tattwas for pathworking. The Grimoires themselves are full of examples of mixing systems from various cultures, from names of entities to words of power. How well a system is mixed properly depends on the talent of the magician and his understanding of the systems he is working with. Its like cooking. You can mix two different types of gourmet recipes and create a great new recipe, or you can create something no one would want to eat. Adesh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-20930383288735151692012-01-03T04:34:29.995-07:002012-01-03T04:34:29.995-07:00The rule about mixing systems is an odd one and it...The rule about mixing systems is an odd one and it seems to have been hammered in by Murray Hope. The rule was that you could mix cabbalah with practically anything but mixing different godform systems was bad. Although I have tended to follow this rule there is no logical reason for it to be there. I am sure that I have broken the rule several times without even being aware of it. The only think I agree with is that mixing of oriental systems does not tend to work that well which is one of the reasons I tweaked the Tattvah system.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18397283594429773853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-43406235205163999922012-01-03T03:01:51.417-07:002012-01-03T03:01:51.417-07:00Thanks for this post, Morgan, it's good to hav...Thanks for this post, Morgan, it's good to have some historical context. I think the Cipher scripts are obviously a product of the time immediately before the GD; they shown a modern Fringe Masonic mind more than any other quality.<br /><br />As a nod to me ancestors (who can get get a bit troublesome at times), while the lodge kit and grand lodges are English additions, the basics of Masonry are Scottish. David Stevenson argues that even the long held assumption that Scottish lodges from the 1590s onwards were all 'Operative' not 'speculative is in doubt. Certainly the basic form and mythology of the Craft was around in Scotland before England. Of course, once the English got hold of it they claimed it as their own and added their own brand of organization and symbolic structures.<br /><br />Still, none of this diminishes your main points. And I think the term 'Magical Imperalism' is a great description of how the English Masons and Pseudo-Masons appropriated (and often misunderstood) any "exotic" religion, myth or culture that took their fancy. Ah, the English :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-18238096055948409302012-01-03T02:24:33.676-07:002012-01-03T02:24:33.676-07:00Hey! I read your blog all the time!
*Waves back*Hey! I read your blog all the time!<br /><br />*Waves back*Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189203446024144578noreply@blogger.com