tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post8670565352472521390..comments2023-09-03T05:52:27.906-06:00Comments on The Magical Witch: What makes BIORC different?Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-33867672606244630872012-11-10T14:53:36.860-07:002012-11-10T14:53:36.860-07:00Hi Morgan,
I sincerely doubt the HAT is derived f...Hi Morgan,<br /><br />I sincerely doubt the HAT is derived from the Hermetica, although some folks read that into it. I would suggest that it should be correlated with the extremely high of the high places Adon Olahm... which is equivalent but superior to Ain Soph. As Adon Olahm is described as without beginning or end and Ain Soph is literally "without end". ADVN = 61 = AIN & OVLM = 146 = SVPh or cumulatively Adon Olahm = 207 = Ain Soph. This is a very significant term in Kabbalah. the GD associates the "Mighty One" with Shaddai El Chai, but the "Vast" is possibly in the HAT a reference to the Vast Countenance Arik Anpin who is both Male and Female. In Kabbalah only Adon Olahm (also male and female) can say "Ana Emloch" or "I shall rule"... this was stated inappropriately by the Edomite Kings thereby causing their death except for Hadar (Beauty) who was... "Male and Female"... the others had no wives and so they died... Also in Kabbalah the term for Lord as Adonai is entirely Feminine and Malkuth is called Atarah (diadem) because it can be elevated to Crown. It makes way too much sense Kabbalistically and is set-up in format very similar if not identically to various Kabbalistic prayers. It shows descent and ascent from above Ain Soph down to Malkuth while uniting the Feminine and Masculine the entire way. Lord and Lady is not a bad interpretation although Kabbalistically this is like saying Lady and Lady... but in English communicates the construct quite well IMHO. Fr. A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09100316012648450310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-41904993585787469772012-11-10T14:07:09.796-07:002012-11-10T14:07:09.796-07:00We have no clue what the Lord of the Universe pray...We have no clue what the Lord of the Universe prayer is supposed to be addressing. For one, we have no clue what the creator of the Cipher Manuscript intended the prayer to do. Second, if you go back to the original source, the Hermetica, there is no reference to Jewish Kabbalah. Third, if I was to attempt to link the prayer to Kabbalah, I would argue the Three Veils of Negative Existence--and just the Lord part alone drops us below Daath.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-61428885023354051442012-11-10T00:00:48.081-07:002012-11-10T00:00:48.081-07:00Yes, duo-theism is already present in the system, ...Yes, duo-theism is already present in the system, but the Adoration is intended to reference Kether is it not? By specifying male and female, has attention not shifted one level down on the TOL?<br /><br />I suppose it is easier for me to use the phrase LOTU, because my primary association is to the Life Power, rather than a concept of male or female.<br /><br />It will be interesting to hear if this changes the energy and/or perception of energy in the Temple.IM Researchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03604771512762192136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-90597795819858144232012-11-09T09:41:28.908-07:002012-11-09T09:41:28.908-07:00I still dunno why people have to ascribe gender to...I still dunno why people have to ascribe gender to the Creator. Sex is a way for DNA to be exchanged, in order to keep diversity going in order to increase the species' chances of survival under changing conditions.<br /><br />The Creator doesn't need that.<br /><br />All the other "feminine" and "masculine" stuff other than reproduction is either secondary sex traits, or personality traits ascribed to one or the other, and tied to hormonal differences, all supported or shaped differently according to what culture one is in.<br /><br />The Creator doesn't have a penis or a vagina, neither or both. Those are biological things and the Creator is not biological.<br /><br />So basically if it makes you feel better to say when you pray Father or Mother or both or neither, I really don't think the Creator cares. Just do it. Just pray.Lance M. Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17404310713482611952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-9220994864208425512012-11-08T15:18:22.315-07:002012-11-08T15:18:22.315-07:00It is not so much "introducing" duo-thei...It is not so much "introducing" duo-theism as it is admitting that it was already present in the system. The first intake of members, back in 2000, were all Wiccans or Wiccan-friendly--and most came from a duo-theism group that previously existed. For awhile, we do have mono-theists involved, but one of the things that I think drove them out was the duo-theism presence. And with the current group being all Wiccan or Hindi, well, it is best just to embrace this difference and see where it takes us.Morgan Drake Ecksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258538066497554895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-64208189700314146832012-11-07T20:56:21.236-07:002012-11-07T20:56:21.236-07:00Thanks Frater Morgan for explaining this to me :)Thanks Frater Morgan for explaining this to me :)PhoenixAngelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02628182447302904322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-62290775019268280492012-11-07T18:54:11.362-07:002012-11-07T18:54:11.362-07:00Hi Morgan,
thanks for this very interesting post....Hi Morgan,<br /><br />thanks for this very interesting post.<br /><br />This is indeed a HUGE change. I, and many others, have always taken the reference to LOTU etc as an imperfect sexist language attempt to convey the mystery of the Holy One, the One Thing. The "Dryghten" in BTW terms.<br /><br />So, I want to be clear here: is the idea of of changing the words designed to balance out the offensive 'Lord only' reference, but still keep the GD / RR et AC focus on the One beyond all things?<br /><br />Or, are you introducing a duo-theism into the BIORC?<br /><br />If the latter, then WOW - yes, EVERYTHING changes. It will be a brave new tradition and one I will be eager to watch :)<br /><br />Thanks :)Peregrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508191641503321789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2594045886586038963.post-33703199716041965592012-11-07T16:29:47.399-07:002012-11-07T16:29:47.399-07:00Interesting replacement of the Feminine of the ori...Interesting replacement of the Feminine of the original ...Fr. A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09100316012648450310noreply@blogger.com